GamalielHe Taught Saul of Tarsus Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY GamalielHe Taught Saul of Tarsus THE crowd stood in hushed silence. No, I DONT want Paul to act like a Pope controlling all aspects of the church from a distance yet reading Pauls 2 letters to the church, it is clear to me this is exactly what he was doing. I have been looking and wanted to know about the Gamaliel , because in Nepal we have competition for the ranking and Im bit aware of this and I have burden for our people in Nepal not go this way and I want to teach as a teacher to be out from this kinds of Gamaliel position, who just want to be in the meeting not taking burden of their neighbor who need Jesus than taking a position in the Gamaliel meetings. In fact, it almost sounds as if he is name-dropping in order to impress people! A generation before Christ there were two great rabbis, Hillel and Shammai. The NIV translation inserts the heading Matthias Chosen to Replace Judas for the passage Luke wrote in Acts 1:12-26]. (Acts 9:20-22) I think his training with Gamaliel was a large influence on his passion though. Probably his training with Gamaliel would have been concluded by the time he was twenty and would have given Paul a very good understanding of Old Testament Scripture. Had Paul studied under the great rabbi Gamaliel, he would have learnt the scriptures in the Hebrew lan. Perhaps Gamiliels views influenced Pauls personal comments on marriage in 1 Corinthians 7 (Polhill, Paul and his Letters, 30). George Clinton? maybe not. Paul was so entrenched in corrupted rabbinics (MAASE HATORAH ) that it clouded the vision of Messiah until Damscucs road. Law. Whom I might add are much more well versed that you in that subject. Are you the Patricio Abramzon who attended the Evelyn Rubenstein Jewish Community Center in Houston? Somehow Barnabas who was at the Pentecost knew Saul! IMHO, most of the sports analogies are from the Olympic styled games which were found throughout the empires. Moreover, Paul preached that gentiles ingrafted into the olive tree were part of Israel is a teaching DIRECTLY from Hillel. Sin is always specific, not general. If you dont ask about Pauls sins, I wont tell about them. Paul, Silas, and Timothy desired to enter Asia to spread the gospel there, but the Holy Spirit prevented them. The cornerstone of Judaism then and now is that although it has guidelines it also leaves rooms for free thought. Once we allow things that we can not say with certainty, we give a foothold to the enemy to sow his seed too. I agree that the teaching of Gamaliel did influence his life and was the foundation of his ministry because he is a Talmudim from that school. I keep wondering how far N.T. And Christians do it with pride as there is no Trinity and the Bible doesnt say there is OR that God is more than 1. Yeshua quotes many of them and in many cases agreed or corrected their rulings. Darris McNeely - Dec 7, 2022 | In this class we will discuss Acts 5:26-41 thru Acts 6:1-7 and notice the following events: the apostles being persecuted by the Sanhedrin for teaching in Christ's name; how a Pharisee named Gamaliel spoke up on behalf of the apostles; and the choosing of seven men to help the disciples distribute food. Mark could be understood as the first core teachings of Peter and the other Apostles. It is comparing the words of Jesus with the words of Paul (and other men) regarding which one is the Most Important Commandment and which one is the Second commandment, which together fulfill the Law and the Prophets. Plenty of time for him to get familiar with popular Greek culture in order to draw appropriate analogies. I believe that his reaction was not majorly a reflection of his upbringing and teaching, but rather of a fear that the tradition and comfort of the Jewish ways was being challenged by a dangerous liberal view (P. Long), and he thought it his duty to protect his lifestyle and beliefs as a Hebrew of Hebrews, a Pharisee, and of the Tribe of Benjamin (Phi 3:5-5). When cult members repeat their mantra, it makes them deaf to the voice of God, unable to hear God. Im glad no one disagrees with me. The rule is- never step on the Hat, just keep dancing around it. Paul says that he was taught by Gamaliel. According to Josephus (Life 38.190-191), Gamaliel belonged to "a highly respected family"; there is no good reason to reject the early Jewish tradition that he was the grandson (or perhaps . I differ from many of my former teachers, though I still appreciate their perspective. The notion was given classic expression only a little more than a century ago by the biblical scholar John William Burgon. Jesus never calls us out For what we used to be. They make Paul the center, not Jesus. But he also gave the Holy Spirit something to work with! 5:7) Paul takes a Nazarite vow, validate his claim that he doesnt teach against Torah and upholds it. The first thing was that they might be with Him personally, together, for His entire earthly ministry, from the time of John the Baptist until Jesus rose to heaven. . If we didnt also have the clear records in Mark and Luke, it would be a fairly logical assumption that Jesus sent them out right away, but it would still be just an assumption. Scripture does not state whether Saul was or was not in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus crucifixion. QUOTE The Bible is none other than the voice of Him that sitteth upon the throne! First, Gamaliel was one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. Paul, (Timothy1:1) Jesus said, "Ye must be born again" to? I will leave that to the Ruah, my rabbi and the Yeshiva (that ive been attending for years) I attend. Gamaliel II, also called Gamaliel Of Jabneh, (flourished 2nd century ad), nasi (president) of the Sanhedrin, at that time the supreme Jewish legislative body, in Jabneh, whose greatest achievement was the unification of the important Jewish laws and rituals in a time of external oppression by Rome and internecine . I know from the Scriptures that Paul Worship is wrong, but the entire Church Establishment says its right. Thats the short version of my definition of what is an Apostle.. It addresses exactly what I was thinking, and its thorough. Kind of long and wordy. Last Update: October 15, 2022. Within Acts 22 he mentions how he zealously persecuted the followers of the Way, something that up until that point, had not been done by anyone within Judaism to that extent. You are so far from understanding anything I have ever said it is humorous, actual insulting. Any help is much appreciated, in advance! And most of all, he wouldnt of been able to defend the Gospel in such a way as if he did not have the correct teaching. Im horrified that youre taking Jewish writings and making crazy stories out of them.. That is why there was no mention of Believe and be saved The New Covenant was not even inaugurated until the Last Passover Supper and the 2 Commandments are clearly described in 1st John. Paul may be seeing this as another threat to the Law and acts as his predecessors did to preserve the culture and traditions of the Pharisaical movement and interpretations. But the testimonies of the era indicate he would have become a ward and trainee of Gamaliel in the age range of 10-14. I wonder what would happen if by his own mouth ,he will say Im Roman now what do you call someone that say things and then change .. (Rom. This status gave him special privileges, and in some cases saved him from abuse (Acts 22:25-29). 1. Good to see the parrot-heads well represented here. There is absolutely no Christianity in the book of Acts.. That is absolutely incorrect. This idea can even be applied to his post-conversion work seeing how he sought to integrate the Gentiles into the Church when it was still a controversial issue. . I admit this is all speculation and I dont have a shred of evidence for any of this but it makes me wonder if Paul was trying to start something extraordinary within Judaism (As he mentions in his defense in Acts 22) and God harnessed that ambition for the glory and advancement of His Church. Gamaliel the Elder, or Rabban Gamaliel I, was a leading authority in the Sanhedrin in the early first century CE. People tend to forget that Yeshua himself stated that we are to listen to the Pharisees for they sit in the seat of Moses. Here however it plainly is not. Yes, 99.9% of Christians absolute gets Pauls writings wrong. I think there is some sort of progression, however, in Pauls theology. There were a plethora of Pharisee within the Sanhedrin that agreed with Yeshua and Yeshua himself is a Pharisee(plethora of verses that state this as well). Yet hes from the school of Shammi? As Gamaliels Christianity is attested in the Clementine Literature, one may, with care, posit an early date for the tradition. Er was the first person God killed for being wicked ( Gen 38:7 ). Of course Gamaliel might have buried St. Stephen as an act of charity, given his stature in the community, not withstanding the hostility of the public. Lets stick to what the Word says and not look for other answers which are not guaranteed but are assumptions. .2) Paul lying to the Ephesian elders saying he was compelled by the Spirit going to Jerusalem, when in truth he was clearly disobeying God. Like Brad Young, he is deeply influenced by David Flusser but unlike Flusser and Young, he is less in touch with mainstream Jewish scholarship. In Philippians Paul describes himself as a Diaspora Jew who claimed to have been raised in a family which kept the Jewish traditions faultlessly. Gamaliel established a number of lenient ordinances, in particular . What was Paul's purpose in the Bible? When did Paul study under Gamaliel? Who was Paul's mentor in his study of Judaism? Several people objected that it does not really matter who Pauls human teachers were, after his conversion experience he was taught by the Holy Spirit. I didnt think King Herod would knock you off so quickly. BOSS PAUL THE PHARISEE [sing it to the tune of Rapture by Blondie], Im Boss Paul, the Pharisee My hypocrisys plain for the world to see I travel the land and travel the sea to make a convert who is just like ME, All have sinned we know thats true but it never means ME it only means YOU My sins are all theoretical Im the worst of sinners- but dont ask where. - Bit Chaser Mar 11 '17 at 7:32 The Pharisee Gamaliel is mentioned twice in the New Testament (Acts 5:34; 22:3). For this he is slandered with pride by Christians who if believed in the Bible would reject mainstream theology for the lie it is. Only after the house is finished and the paint is dry can we go and paint the garage.. He was absolutely brilliant. The people who Paul persecuted were Diaspora Jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah and claimed that God raised Jesus from the dead. And what kind of a stone is the most solid, permanent, and unchangeable? For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. We dont have time for debates about which one is first. That is incorrect. The Clementine Literature suggested that he maintained secrecy about the conversion and continued to be a member of the Sanhedrin for the purpose of covertly assisting his fellow Christians. St. Paul was always proud of his Roman citizenship, indeed I think we can surmise biblically, that Paul was always something of a Jewish Pharisee, and too a Jewish-Hellenist, but foremost caught-up in his calling as an Apostle of Christ! But what do I do with this truth? Gamaliel and his beliefs seem to have a fairly large impact on Paul and his theology. Pauls athletic references are too pervasive in his letters for him to have shared the antipathy that some Jews felt toward the games. Only 3 of these men wrote Scripture in the Bible Matthew, John and Peter. The Astounding Conversion of Paul because he said so. I didnt know everything 7 years ago either but I have grown and learned new things about God and His Word in the past 7 years, as is normal for a growing believer. For these reasons, it seems highly unlikely that Paul isolated himself for the purpose of study during these "Lost Years.". 1. Sages of the time didn't have formal recognition or title. Rome is the city that sits on seven hills, the perfect place for Peter the Roman, the New World Pope for the New World Order, to replace the original Apostle Peter in the apostate church of the Antichrist. According to Photius, he was baptized by Saint Peter and Saint John, together with his son and Nicodemus. As an athlete and sports enthusiast, the references really stuck out to me and are passages of scripture that I have read multiple times. This powerful conversion led Paul to give his life to the mission of building up the church and furthering the kingdom of God. As a Roman citizen, Paul possessed a coveted status Listen to Gamaliel. I would not limit the intervention of God in the light of Pauls claim in Galatians 1 that God had prepared him before he was born for the grace he has received (Gal 1:15). I have said I will ignore you since you are not interested in dialogue. For that, we have to go to extra-biblical sources. What were Pauls sins as a Christian? To Paul, Christianity was dangerous, and to his Jewish thinking, very wrong. I almost wonder if his upbringing had anything to do with the way that he thought and he acted towards Christians. You can hover over the pic and it will say that (or at least it did for me in Firefox). I would need to find an online edition of the Clementine Literature and hope there is a search capacity. Gamaliel became a leading authority in the Sanhedrin, the highest Jewish court in Jerusalem. Jesus Leadership Training, The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World. Gamaliel. Paul enunciated precisely the same principle in Romans 7:2 (Polhill 30). The only think I have examined from him (Yeshua: A Guide to the Real Jesus and the Original Church) is occasionally accurate, but often wildly wrong. What does tents mean in the Bible? 3) Paul exaggerating his ministry in Ephesus claiming it was 3 years night and day with tears when really it was 3 months in the synagogue and 2 years daily in a lecture hall. He is so nonsensical in his opinion and claims that one never reads his Epistles in full without thinking, Is he for real?. There is no conservative or liberal spectrum regarding Judaism or the 32 sects of Judaism during the time of Yeshua. But you are still not a Muslim when our Quran is incorruptible and agrees with the teachings of Issa (p) more so than theology of Orthodox Church or any Christian denomination! And even if Matthias was physically absent at that particular occasion, Jesus is still establishing the basic qualification for having one of the twelve thrones as being you who have followed me, not someone who will follow Jesus in the future, like Paul, James, Luke or anyone else in the world. Mainstream Judaism resistance to Paul isnt a sign of absolute proof that he wasnt a student of Hillel. This article is the result of when you remove the culture/context of the scriptures, the Hebraics of the Brist Chadasha (Renewed Testament) and injecting the christian outlook that Shaul (Paul) divorced his Jewish roots. 1. (11). Your ignorant slander of Paul shows a deep seated hatred toward God and His word. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. The character and position of his father. He uses this in Philippians 3:12-14 to describe the Christian walk. And one throne for that other guy named Peter. I interpret 6 months of silence to mean: even if no one here has the courage to agree with me publicly, no one in the world can open a Bible and prove me wrong from the Bible text on these specific points Ive raised here. Therefore, in times when there is no clarity, we should end there and not come up with our own assumptions. References to Paul's ancestry and youth. Makes sense, but I could not prove this. Phillip, thank you. The soul of Saint Gamaliel appeared to the presbyter Lucian in AD 415 and told him where to find the relics of Stephen and those of his own body. One could envisage that the power of God was already hard wired in the heart some people through faith in his words and by grace in his blood just as Gamaliel proclaimed, A homeowner called his friend, who was a painting contractor. When and where did they first meet. I trust that no one is offended and that as a result of this comment, we might get closer to Him, The Truth. mostly ranting about people not studying the Bible and running around eith misunderstandings. Jesus did not see even the Hebrew Scriptures, what we call the Old Testament, as a whole unit or book that was all equal or all truly Gods words. Jesus spoke of The Law, or The Law and the Prophets, holding these 2 sections of the Old Testament above the third, least important sections the Writings. And Jesus held the Psalms, the first book of the Writings section, above the other books in the Writings section in importance, since some parts of some Psalms are prophetic. His voice is so much greater Than paul the Pharisee. Paul's impact on Christianity is enormous and cannot be overstated. I am not at all removing Paul (or Jesus) from the culture of the Second Temple period, but I certainly more aware of what was happening in the first century that you appear to be. Here are answers to 2 common objections: .a) What about the so-called Golden Rule? Human teachers and influences, for some at least, did not matter. IT should be heretical. You should have hired a PR firm to promote your name and make if famous. May I ask which verses of Scripture you are basing this on? Why believe a self-described co-redeemer holy spirit comforter who claimed; I became your father, therefore I urge you to imitate me? These mostly have something to do with marriage and divorce. How long did the Apostle Paul prepare for ministry? I appreciate your many responses to this thread.as I wrote this response you have added a few more! This was like most of Pauls ministry, always doing what God told him and doing what was against the grain. Gamaliel is reflecting the Hillel tradition of non-violence and allowing God to deal with parties that against the Jews (Polhill, Paul and His Letters, 31). Matthias was qualified, appointed, and later recognized as part of The Twelve. Nave's Topical Index. So youd rather channel Constantine, anti semetic church fathers and bad book from amazon from authors who know absolutely nothing about Judaism or what they are even reading. For example, Gi. Since Paul clearly gives his yeshiva and his lineage, it shows he wasnt a Christian before and after Damascus. Although in the Bible there are verses speaking about Pauls sister and nephew, there are no references to Pauls wife. Phillip J. Long- Sorry i have nothing to learn from replacement theology or of Constantine Christianity followers who believe that somehow eventhough the book is filled with Jews or converts practicing Judaism is magically replaced by ridiculous made up church doctrine. No it is true and I do know what im talking about since ive been a Yeshiva student for years and learning under well versed Orthodox and Messianic Rabbis. ), STEP 3) Paul said; All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. [Romans 3:23] (Response- Again the same question; What were Pauls specific sins as a Christian? Mantra (noun) (Hinduism.) Long has taught full time at Grace Christian University since 1998, specializing in Bible and Biblical languages. Was he working around/with the High Priests, or would he still have been studying under Gamaliel? Yet when I site a blatant argument that Peter and Paul are having is an argument Shammi and Hillel schools had, between each other youre mute. Is it a commentary on the book of Acts in blog form? [Acts 19:21 22:21] . Not the Baptists, Lutherans etc. The Hat is, What were Pauls sins?, The music starts, with a cheery blast of trumpets in a melody that is familiar to most North Americans- the Mexican Hat Dance. (The national dance of Mexico, taught in Mexican public schools since 1921, and officially named El Jarabe Tapatio.), A couple in rather elaborate traditional costumes begins the dance. Taken directly from Talmud. The later evidence of the Mishnah implies an Aramaic commentary on the Hebrew Bible, but that dates to AD 250. .1) There is more New Testament text written specifically about the Church in Corinth than any other church, by far. Third, as John Polhill observes, several rulings from Gamaliel appear in the Mishnah, the Jewish commentary on the Law. Rabbis are Reubenites. This notion is wrong. Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Paul's education. (Eph. Im sorry to shatter your confirmation bias but YEshua nor Paul were Christians. I dont know of a single church that simply teaches the Bible simply and preaches the whole counsel of God, including Pauls sins and mistakes. Phillip J. (I know, captain obvious). I dont think that he is a Christian pharisee however, I believe that he just holds close to the teachings that he received for over half of his life before his conversion. He also intimately knew Gamaliel was was there, at least at The time of Pentecost. Evangelism is part of the Second Commandment given by Jesus, to Love people. Have heard some scholars saying that If Paul was living in the 21 century he would have had 5 phd, how true is that. ), STEP 4) Paul said; Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Jesus warned us about the Pharisees in Matthew chapters 15 & 16, and quoted the Prophet Isaiah regarding them: These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. There is no greater lie than to lie about God. Now, we have got a complete detailed explanation and answer for everyone, who is interested! Although there are many remarkably similarities between Paul and HIllel, there are serious differences between what might be considered the mainstream of Judaism which survived A.D. 70 (Hillel for the most part) and Pauline Christianity. That is not what Paul said, he stated once ingrafted in they were formerly once known as gentiles. As for burying Stephen, even if Gamaliel was not a Christian he would have been motivated to care for the dead, as demonstrated in Tobit. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. Acts recounts the times he faced persecution (13:45; 14:19) and risked his . On page 38 Polhil writes, Paul certainly showed more the attitude of the zealots than of Gamaliel. Polhil also mentions in Phillipians 3:5-6, Paul refers to his persecuting in close connection with his zeal for the law. Polhil then mentions that a modern Zionist would have a yearning for the independence of the nation and the restoration of the glory of the temple by the Messiah. After reading our sections it seems to me that although Paul studied under Gamaliel, his actions resembled more closely to the Shammaite party. He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil spirits and to heal disease and sickness. I find this convincing since Paul seems, at least in part, to return to Gamaliels tutelage after his conversion. Have you even stepped inside shul? There were plenty of other messianic pretenders besides Jesus, the difference is that some claimed that he was raised form the dead. The Orthodox Muslim view of the Koran as self-evidently the Word of God, perfect and inimitable in message, language, style, and form, is strikingly similar to the fundamentalist Christian notion of the Bibles inerrancy and verbal inspiration that is still common in many places today. 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